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Pridružen: Ne Avg 22, 2010 3:15 am
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Jaz točno 7l po prevoženih tik pod 12000km
Po AC sem imel povpreček za skoraj cel tank 6,8 po BC in 130 na tempomatu. Drugače poraba na AC med 7 in 7,5l.
Regionalka lepa tekoča vožnja 5-5,2l po BC - manj je skoraj nemogoče doseči :mrgreen: največ povpreček 8,9l.

Sem pa testnega gnal da je skoraj dušo spustil povpreček 10,5-11l :twisted: :wink:

Se ne sekiram disel mi je pil med 5 in 7 litri. Povpreček pri njem sem imel malo pod 6l. Torej zdaj imam kakšnih 1-1,5l večjo porabo in NAJMANJ 5X bolj uživaško vožnjo. Ne moreš verjet kako ta mlin 1,4 leti v D =D> #-o
Je pa res da poraba vzstrajno rahlo pada, ali pa se jaz staram #-o
Za disela se nisem odločil zaradi prevelike razlike v ceni 3000€ je veliko bencina, če delaš na leto 12-13kKm.
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Pridružen: Če Jul 12, 2007 6:17 pm
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Odkar so popularni tile mali turbo bencinski motorji je debata dizel vs bencin precej brezpredmetna dokler ne delaš vsaj 40.000km na leto. Sploh pri razliki v ceni 3000€.
Če ti bencinar kuri 1.5 litra več kot podoben dizel, to pomeni da s temi 3000€ pokriješ razliko v porabi goriva za nadaljnih 150.000km. Računice ni... :)
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Pridružen: Če Mar 24, 2011 5:02 pm

Jaz imam porabo 6l (po računalniku 5.8l), pa vsak dan stojim v gužvi zjutraj in popoldne, kar nekaj je tudi mestne vožnje. Avto je vedno v D (razen ko je mrzel).


Gre pa za 1.6 dizla + Novitec, tako da naj bi bilo 130 konjev in 350 navora.

Odkar imam Novitec gre avto izjemno hitro. Primerljivo z Spyderjem 2.2 JTS pri čemer se čuti, da ima Spyder občutno manj navora.
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Js sem tudi zadnjič vozil 1.4 multiair in bil po slabem letu vožnje z dizlom in avtomatskim menjalnikom srečen kot prašič v blatu :).

Za mene tudi sploh ni debate, s 120 konjskim dizlom mam 6,8 porabe in nič zabave, z gulietto sem imel pa ob kar dolgem kombiniranem krogu z veliko priganjanja 8,5 litra po bc in fuuul zabave :). Stepančič mi je že iz prve zbil dizla iz glave, pravi da jih sploh ne naročuje ob tem da je mnda dražji tudi servis. Tako da mislim da bo padla 1.4 MA s sport packom :). Btw, slednjega se verjetno bolj splača vzet kot pa kupovat večja platišča, srebrna ogledala itd. ane? V čem so še razlike poleg rdečih šivov v notranjosti in zunanjih olepšav?
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Pridružen: Če Mar 24, 2011 5:02 pm

Velik razlik je. Znizano podvozje, temne sipe, spojler zadaj, spojler ob strani spodaj, sedezi pol usnjeni, armaturna plosca boljsa, crno oblazinjenje strehe, qv izvedba zarometov,....
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Pridružen: So Jan 16, 2010 9:46 pm

Mene pa tko iz prve roke zanima kako se kaj obnaša tale električni volan v Giulietti v primerjavi s klasičnim Alfinim servo volanom.Zaenkrat lahko povem samo glede primerjave med novim Meganom,ki ima električnega in 156-ko.Meganov je prava smešnica .Sploh v prvi četrtini obrata je neodziven in tudi "obteženost" je nerealna.156 zmaga glede tega na celi črti.
Kakšen se vam zdi v Giulietti?
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Pridružen: Če Nov 13, 2008 6:26 pm
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Meni se odzivnost volana ni zdela bistveno slabša, kot v 159.
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Pridružen: To Maj 30, 2006 7:19 pm

Med električnimi ni slab, proti pravemu servu (recimo iz Alf starejše generacije - 156, GTV, 166), pa se vsaj meni zdi nekaj kar naj ostane samo v Fiatih. Glede komunikativnosti in prenosa dogajanja s cestišča pač to ni to.
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Pridružen: Pe Dec 03, 2010 10:43 am

Meni se je zdel volan v N premehak, v D pa se ustavri zelo umeten občutek otrdelosti, ki tudi ni ravno fajn.
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cartier23 napisal/-a:Jaz imam porabo 6l (po računalniku 5.8l), pa vsak dan stojim v gužvi zjutraj in popoldne, kar nekaj je tudi mestne vožnje. Avto je vedno v D (razen ko je mrzel).


Gre pa za 1.6 dizla + Novitec, tako da naj bi bilo 130 konjev in 350 navora.

Odkar imam Novitec gre avto izjemno hitro. Primerljivo z Spyderjem 2.2 JTS pri čemer se čuti, da ima Spyder občutno manj navora.
-če imaš tuningbox,potem kar prištej vsaj liter več koliko ti prikazuje računalnik,ker dobiva druge podatke,računalnik "misli" drugače
-za realno porabo računaj "peš"
-edino,če ti je prej prikazoval liter več kot je realnio,bo zdaj približno natančen :doubt:
-noviteca si itak preplačal,za podoben efekt bi lahko plačal bistveno manj pri konkurenci (tudi pri meni),ampak ime se plača (in zgolj ime) :wink:
cartier23
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Pridružen: Če Mar 24, 2011 5:02 pm

Razlika je med 0.2 in 0.3 litre, odkar imam Novitec. Toliko kaže računalnik manj kot rabi v resnici.
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Pridružen: So Jan 16, 2010 9:46 pm

lizard napisal/-a:Med električnimi ni slab, proti pravemu servu (recimo iz Alf starejše generacije - 156, GTV, 166), pa se vsaj meni zdi nekaj kar naj ostane samo v Fiatih. Glede komunikativnosti in prenosa dogajanja s cestišča pač to ni to.
Zakaj se je sploh opustilo klasičen servo in šlo na elektriko?Cena ali kaj drugega?
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Manjša poraba,manj stvari ki lahko crkne,manj komponent,lažje komponente,cenejše vzdrževanje,bolj zanesljiva zadeva...
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Pridružen: Če Jul 12, 2007 6:17 pm
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Se strinjam v skor vsem, razen v zanesljivosti... :D
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Pridružen: Ne Dec 19, 2010 10:44 pm
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Kar se tiče TCT, me tudi zanima in sem našel en mini review:
This morning I managed to make a good preview of a Giulietta TCT, with many thanks to the friendly salesman who let me have a go for a while (I had been to see Giulietta some time ago and we met then). When I entered the dealership he was going to get petrol, so we combined business with pleasure (if they were all a little like him Alfa would sell lots more and there would be less prejudice against them)!

I must state a few things:

- The car was brand new, 15 km when we got in
- This was the sports package with 17" wheels
- The car has start and stop active
- I've driven many km in cars with DGS of varied types and eras
- I never hold back
- I did not have a chance to learn anything on the topic of consumption

Let's start with him driving and I as passenger, in search of gas station ... Totally reserved, pace very quiet, air-conditioning off and windows down, no D-mode. The car is very comfortable, the change seems to satisfy the driver's foot well, smooth gear changes at low and medium rpm, no tearing or shaking, good speed gear engagement.

After petrol (with 50 € spent, we have exactly half the tank filled, sadly ..) we started a test a little 'deeper', with DNA in D and the engine power required. Well, the gearshift transforms, the gears go up and pass quickly and well, are held up to about 6000 rpm. When it enters the gear you can really feel the "push" and the rasp of the exhaust (in both uphill and climbing), confirmed the smoothness and speed.

Finally it's my turn to drive, and here the first impressions are all confirmed. Clearly we need to create the feeling with the automatic, it takes a few miles to figure out how to "instruct" it because to change or not when and how we want, and the only instrument I used was the right foot (of course I felt from that point of view ill at ease compared with DSG I drove up and down).

I try N mode just to be able to say that I did so. here the change is sly, keeping it at bay with a low change speed, but is ready to throw it into the higher gear just as it feels a bit more aggression. You get to sixth well before 80 km/h (50mph), so for a climb you have to give a little more than what you would of the petrol, the engine still has pulling power, even if it is not always quite ready (all this refers to N only).

But, the piece de resistance; after a few km of N, I move into D and start to pull the neck of the engine and transmission, and well, it is flawless! It does not tear at the start (although there could be more "badness"; the DSG is best at this juncture) and then stretches all of the gears without changing up to the next until an altitude of 6000, accompanied with the classic bang, and everything is fast and precise, even released early enough in scale, and if it requires power when he is already sixth, it is no effort to drop one or two gears and start at a good pace.
I also tried the paddles behind the steering wheel, there's a little lag in N, less in D less (but it still seems a little less immediate than the DSG).
Is not confused by changes or increasing gears with the throttle closed (to stop changing up in order to extend or increase the smoothness).

In conclusion I would say that the work of refinement of this box is very evident (I had not tried Mito but from what I read, this was imperfect and very far from the VW DSG), personally I award almost full marks to the TCT (although the DSG is still slightly better in situations of starting and its responsiveness in manual use).

It's a great double-clutch, light, calm and comfortable if you change up, and featuring aggressiveness when pushed, with no obvious defects or deficiencies, it goes really well with Giulietta!

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